Scumbag Reddit strikes again.
If you’re a straight guy looking for “fapping” material, the internet is your friend. It’s awash in freely available pictures of naked women of every size, shape, color, age, or hairstyle you prefer. And if you want more than pictures, the internet is happy to oblige, offering up videos featuring women of every description engaging in every sex act you can imagine, and then some.
You might think this would be enough.
But for some straight dudes, it evidently isn’t. They don’t just want to look at the mind-bogglingly enormous selection of women out there who have agreed to pose naked, or even perform explicit sex acts, on camera.
No, they also want to look at women who haven’t agreed to have their nude photos put on the internet. Hence the popularity of “ex-girlfriend” or “revenge porn” sites, filled with pictures that are (or at least purport to be) of ex-girlfriends who never wanted the pictures they shared with their then-boyfriends posted for the world to see.
Hence the popularity of “leaked” celebrity nudes.
The latest celebrity nudes scandal revolves around a gigantic collection of personal pictures stolen from the supposedly secure online accounts of an assortment of female celebs (and a couple of guys).
The most famous of the celebs in this current batch are Jennifer Lawrence – Jlaw – and Kate Upton; there are many others, including alleged pics of comedian Aubrey Plaza and gymnast McKayla Maroney, which internet “detectives” are scurrying to prove are real. Maroney is only 18; if the alleged pics of her are real, and weren’t taken very recently, they’re arguably child porn.
The pics were first released by an anon on internet cesspool 4chan, and they have found a welcome home on the slightly more respectable internet cesspool Reddit, where they have been posted and reposted, sometimes retouched and color-corrected, and celebrated with enthusiasm by hundreds of thousands of Redditors.
Indeed, the leaks have inspired a new subreddit, TheFappening, which has managed to gain 100,000 subscribers in a day. Evidently Reddit’s admins have no problem with a subreddit distributing stolen celebrity pics, including some that may well be child porn.
Naturally, Reddit being Reddit, some of new members of TheFappening are trying to distract from their odiousness by suggesting that those downloading Jlaw’s stolen pics also … donate to a charity fighting prostate cancer. Either that or start up their own prostate cancer fund – to make sure they get credit for their donations.
![TheJanders 224 points 2 hours ago Holy shit the news would be amazing.. "Spreaders of leaked celebrity nude photos raise millions for prostate cancer!" permalink save report give gold reply [–]BiGBANGTH3ORY 47 points an hour ago If any group of people could make that happen it would be the Reddit Army and r/TheFappening permalink save parent report give gold reply [–]TheJanders 34 points an hour ago I shall donate! However we should make our own fund so we can 1.Tell how much we have raised on our own, and 2. Get credit](https://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/prostate.png?resize=487%2C327)
Sorry, guys, that doesn’t make what you’ve done ok. And if you’re truly concerned about prostate cancer, why on earth did you wait until you needed some good PR to launch a fundraising effort?
Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, meanwhile, one concerned fellow attempts to stand up for the hidden victims in the scandal: men. No, really.
Even some of the commenters feel obliged to point out that, er, the hacker almost certainly is a dude — not just because the leak originated at 4chan, or because the overwhelming majority of the pics are of women, but also because, you know, women can’t STEM.
![dfgdfgsd444 -4 points 7 hours ago Implying women know shit about computahs. permalink save give gold [–]ConanTheHynerian 2 points 6 hours ago* I know you're probably just joking but statistically, it's a fact that men hold most of the STEM degrees so maybe it is fair to say that most women don't know about computers and the hacker was probably a man. permalink save parent give gold [–]FlyBunnyy 1 point 3 hours ago Why is this getting downvoted? permalink save parent give gold [–]elwahrio 1 point 2 hours ago Because it sounds misogynistic](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/womencantstem.png?resize=379%2C479)
The strangest reaction to the scandal from an MRA that I’ve run across so far comes from the new Twitter account of A Voice for Men’s PR gal Janet Bloomfied (the one she created, in violation of Twitter’s rules, to get around her recent ban). After mocking celebs for taking private selfies or posing for their partners, Bloomfield posted a topless, headless picture of, presumably, herself, commenting “Is this me? Maybe. I text nothing I don’t want shared. #DontBeDumb.”
Apparently Bloomfield doesn’t quite understand the difference between posting nude photos of yourself and posting pictures of other people that have been obtained and posted without their consent. This isn’t particularly surprising, as MRAs in general seem to have trouble understanding the finer points (and the blindingly obvious points) of consent.
The enthusiasm with which so many male Redditors – and skeezy dudes in general – have greeted this latest leak of celebrity pics makes one wonder if it is not the celebrity of the women in question that is the draw but the lack of consent. After all, there are plenty of other celebrity nudes out there that the celebrities in question consented to have taken and published.
For a lot of those downloading and/or posting the pics of JLaw and Kate Upton and the rest, I suspect the real thrill comes not from seeing the nude bodies of these particular celebs – which, after all, are pretty similar to the nude bodies of porn actresses that can be found everywhere online – but from the violation of privacy that these pictures represent.
There is a real sadism here, driven in part, I suspect, by resentment that many female celebrities don’t agree to appear nude in their movies or to pose nude or topless for magazines. Sharing these stolen nudes is a way to punish JLaw and other female celebs who have so far refused to share every inch of their bodies with their male, er, fans.
It’s a toxic stew of entitlement, resentment, and misogyny. And no amount of donations to prostate cancer research will make up for it.
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@Michelle
I completely agree. If all the survivalist types are actually the only ones who manage to survive and if all of their bullshit measures actually work, I don’t want to be left alive with them.
I require a bunch of meds to survive, so I’m probably going down with the ship if it happens…the survivalists aren’t good in one crucial skill-cooperating. Stockpiling stuff assumes services will resume, if they never resume you get to build a new society…by cooperating.
I think it is the violation of consent that they like. I can only hope very few never get access to actual humans.
Not the survivalists, the dudebros
@bhalistic
I don’t think that there’s a possible world where the dudebros survive the Apocalypse. I could kinda see the survivalists making it because they have some sort of plan, but realistically, we’re all likely to be caught off guard and killed during the initial disaster that sets off the end of civilization, so I don’t know why survivalists would be more likely to survive that than anyone else. But if the dudebros survive, I doubt that they’ll even have the stockpiles or skills necessary to make it. Not that I would either, but oh well.
Not sure if this update was posted already; my apologies if so. The Prostate Cancer Foundation is rejecting the donations and returning the money to the donors. (Apparently there’s a way they can identify the people who were referred from reddit, and in addition many of the donors added notes to the effect that they were donating in gratitude after fapping to JLaw. So, ick.) You know who’s to blame? JLaw. And feminazis. And also white knighting on the part of the PCF, who have apparently decided that Jennifer Lawrence is more important than the cure for cancer. That same cure for cancer that probably NONE of them donated to before this week. Sigh.
Here’s a /r/SubredditDrama thread that explains it pretty well.
Alais — what the survivalist types forget is that it isn’t just chopping down trees for shelter and killing for food — people need to negotiate and barter, and somebody needs to be watching the kidlets if society will actually survive. Somehow I doubt big bad dudebro will be washing out any cloth diapers. Or be capable of friendly negotiations. Or have a damned clue how cooking not on a grill works. Some men? Certainly (pecunium, if my mother and I spend a few nights in NYC, would you be willing to have us over for dinner one night? My tummy craves your delicious cooking)…these guys are not those guys though.
Hell, I doubt these guys could actually shoot dinner, and I highly doubt they’d have a clue how to milk a cow/goat/yak/whatever.
Point here is being all big bad look at me is pretty much the opposite of what society needs to function, under any conditions.
Me? No real desire to survive if it happens, but if it does I can probably get by — I can sew, by hand, well — without electricity that alone would become useful, not just a neat trick. Of course, I’d be an unmedicated fucking mess and need to be cloistered away someplace, but pecunium’s zombie plan has me on aquaculture, so I’d get my cloistered room.
In happier things, Nivi is fond of the frozen fish I’d bought for Puff not realizing that they’re easily three times his size. And my mother’s intro to ze/zir was basically “that’s nice dear” — and it was via seeing me using them on the Borg! MY MOTHER DIDN’T FLIP ABOUT ME USING GENDER NEUTRAL PRONOUNS!! And thanks to Nivi, I have an excuse to teach them to her!
Also, cheesecake was purchased. All in all, today was a mostly good day (I am NOT pleased with the sudden heat, Nivi’s tank hit 81° which is like 15° hotter than zir max, but ze ate fine, and looks okay, so I’m hoping it’ll drop now that the sun went down. If not, well, my father stockpiles, including water, in the basement. I’ll break into the 60°~ water if I have to!)
Hey, I’m running a multilingual education program here, I’ll have you know.
Likewise, Michelle. I have no desire to stay in a devastated world.
I have few useful post-apocalyptic skills, and would probably be one of those casualties of whatever the heck happened. But if I survived, I would organize the heck out of your remaining information resources. And finding the information you need, when you need it, is actually kind of important. Plus, I’m pretty quick at learning new skills.
I’m hoping that would earn me some place on WHTM Island.
Nivi’s beautiful, Argenti! So glad you finally gained custody of zir! Hope it cools down.
That’s so amazingly classy that I’m going to go make a donation to the PCF right this very minute.
As far as people who won’t try to sell that “you can make it up to him” crap, there’s always The Bad Advice Tumblr, which started off as mockingly telling entitled advice column supplicants what they wanted to hear to validate their crappy arrogant beliefs. Recently there’s been a soate of people actually seeking her advice, which seems to disproportionately feature young women asking if the jerk they’ve been seeing really is a jerk. Her (empathetic) answer is usually yes, and you should go do some other fun stuff that makes you a more complete person and stop fixating on havig a relationship at any cost.
She’s turned “go learn to paint or some shit” into a catchphrase. 😀
Kittehserf (an Australian) : Likewise, Michelle. I have no desire to stay in a devastated world.
You’re just fucking with me now by offering such straight lines, ain’t you?
… aaaaand the 20 intervening comments kinda killed the context of that link. Curse the slowness of typing HTML tags on a smartphone! 😉
@Belladonna993, I did the same thing. I added a comment thanking them for returning the donations made in support of hacked photos, and said I would ask all my friends to donate to try to make up the money.
p.s. I love Robot Hugs.
Their next step in being horrible people: declare that they’ll donate to prostate cancer research X dollars per new leaked/hacked nude photo put up on the Internet. That way anyone opposing leaking/hacking nudes photos is misandrist.
I was also quite happy to see that release from the organization, and will donate soon. According to mediaite.com, Redditors raised over $6,000 dollars, right? In such a short span of time?
That was the point everything I could think to say or write began sputtering to a halt. The more I think about it, the more it reveals something so pathetic and ugly (and joyfully blatant about being so), I can’t put it into words.
@Cloudiah, I too thanked them in the comment about my donation. Then I immediate posted this on my Facebook:
Although I recently did a mass unfriending on Facebook and whittled my friends down to about 100, so this probably amounts to little more than ineffectual flailing on my part.
@gelar
I understand this.
Fuuuck, I know we’re stuck here with Abbott (who I really hope is One Term Tony) but stop rubbin’ it in, man!
“The Internet is a series of tubes, connecting us to miserable assholes.” Yup!
Kittehserf: Fuuuck, I know we’re stuck here with Abbott (who I really hope is One Term Tony) but stop rubbin’ it in, man!
I’m sorry, dear – let me offer you a love sonnet I found on the Internet as an apology:
“The game of love, we intimately know –
its laws and maxims mastered by our hearts;
thus, I propose to be your only beau
with passions that no other could impart.
These feelings that weigh heavy in my breast
should in your soul be similarly sown;
I pledge these vows, most earnestly express’d,
to make my deep affections truly known:
that never shall I vacate from thy side,
nor ever shall I disappoint you hence,
nor will the day approach that wounded pride
could rise from some unfaithful dalliance.
— My actions leave your face unstained by tears,
and ledgers of my lies shall remain clear.”
They’re not tryng to donate to breast cancer research as it appears they have not learned anything at all from this whole thing.
*LOUDEST POSSIBLE GROAN*
http://www.change.org/p/myra-j-biblowit-take-our-money
*now
I’m all for donating to cancer research but the fact that they made it specifically prostate cancer, is just insult to injury. I bet they think they got us good with that one. I guess. But at the end of the day…..they still donated to cancer research. My guess is that even though it was a good deed for all the wrong reasons, they’ll have to take an acid bath later to retaint themselves.
Exactly.
On the prostate cancer thing, and the petition, if these guys really wanted to donate money, they still could. They just can’t do it while crowing about how happy they are to see JLaw naked without her consent. The foundation simply took down a page one of these dudes set up to raise money in “honor” of JLaw’s stolen pics, because they don’t want to be used as part of a PR move by some of the internet’s worst scumbags.
These guys could also donate to another worthwhile charity.
So classy of PCF. I actually just donated to them a few days ago. Wish I could go back and add a note.
Phoenicians – awww, innit sweet! 😀
Though on a more serious note, the bit
These feelings that weigh heavy in my breast
should in your soul be similarly sown
Is quite creepy. Just cos Hypothetical Person A feels that way, doesn’t oblige Hypothetical Person B to feel similarly. Crumbs, even Mr K and I never suggested that, of each other, and we go back a looong way.
Phoenicians – awww, innit sweet! 😀
No, not really… I don’t DO sweet.
Brief clue:
These feelings that weigh heavy in my breast
should in your soul be similarly sown
“I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling
Gotta make you understand”…
LOL didn’t really think so!
I knew the sonnet was pinched from a pop song, but I don’t recognise the lyrics. I googled them and I’ve never heard of Rick Astley, either. If something was written post, oh, 1985, and isn’t by Bruce Springsteen, I’m not likely to. I have nil, zip, zero interest in recent music.
Phoenician: She doesn’t listen to pop music.
I would never have figured out most of those either unless the couplet was really obvious. They were tricky!
http://popsonnet.tumblr.com/
The one starting “From western Philadelphia I hail” is particularly funny.
So, I’ve spent the last few hours clicking around the cesspool that is the Fappening board on Reddit. I am now stupider. A majority of the posters there seem unable to grasp the concept that good PR is vital for a charity. A few even explicitly said it’s just a PR stunt (yes, yes it is).
Honestly though, the threads complaining about the PCF are tragic. Making me simultaneously enraged about their attitude and almost sorry for their obliviousness. Some of them seemed genuinely amazed that the PCF wouldn’t welcome their relatively small donation.
Some of them are casting around for another target for their sticky money, and someone has set up a page at give.water.org called ‘Thirsty Redditors’. I just sent a note to the charity via their website contact alerting them to the history.
I recognised the song titles YMCA, Stayin’ Alive and I Will Survive of that lot of pop sonnets. Most of the others I’d never heard of them or their singers. Like katz said …
@kittehs, seriously, you’ve never been rick-rolled?
So basically they are all criminals criminalling together and think they deserve praise for their criminalling. The number of people surprised by this is zero. Wankers.
Reblogged this on OUT of My Panties, Now!!! and commented:
“For men who hate women, the violation of privacy is part of the thrill”, let that sink in.
The post is interesting, be sure to read it.
But it’s the title that speaks so much truth: For men who hate women, the violation of privacy is part of the thrill.
Men who hate women desire to violate them, to eliminate their right to privacy, to force onto women the presence, imposition and voyeuristic desires of those men. It thrills them, that violation, that being there, that seeing you, that force of theirs against your rights.
“They don’t just want to look at the mind-bogglingly enormous selection of women out there who have agreed to pose naked, or even perform explicit sex acts, on camera.”
I am unsure what leads you to believe that the porn you watch online is by women who consented to it. Are you not aware of the large amount of trafficking victims that are forced to make porn and the fact that the vast majority of prostituted people are female and the factors that lead to them being prostituted are racialized, poverty, disability and biological sex driven? When you watch porn you are participating in rape by proxy. I assume this is a self proclaimed feminist blog, and am unsure what trying to normalize such a horrifically abusive industry as porn has to do with feminism. Supporting porn and full legalization of prostitution is misogynist. You are just as bad the MRAs for assuming if porn exists then by default the woman consented, because that’s all women are good for is fucking in your eyes. If they have the nerve to exist as prostituted women, then they exist to be fucked and their fault is consent. Shame on you. Viewing pornography is your hideous entitlement to female bodies. You are no feminist. Porn and prostitution is commodification of women. How can you claim to support reproductive rights while being pro reproductive terrorism against women? How can you claim to be feminist if you believe women are fuckholes?
Reblogged this on Black Metal Valkyrie-question male-identified bullshit and commented:
This is the comment I left on this article which is some “feminist” dude claiming all porn that exists was made by women who “consented” to it. What a pure fantasy.
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“They don’t just want to look at the mind-bogglingly enormous selection of women out there who have agreed to pose naked, or even perform explicit sex acts, on camera.”
I am unsure what leads you to believe that the porn you watch online is by women who consented to it. Are you not aware of the large amount of trafficking victims that are forced to make porn and the fact that the vast majority of prostituted people are female and the factors that lead to them being prostituted are racialized, poverty, disability and biological sex driven? When you watch porn you are participating in rape by proxy. I assume this is a self proclaimed feminist blog, and am unsure what trying to normalize such a horrifically abusive industry as porn has to do with feminism. Supporting porn and full legalization of prostitution is misogynist. You are just as bad the MRAs for assuming if porn exists then by default the woman consented, because that’s all women are good for is fucking in your eyes. If they have the nerve to exist as prostituted women, then they exist to be fucked and their fault is consent. Shame on you. Viewing pornography is your hideous entitlement to female bodies. You are no feminist. Porn and prostitution is commodification of women. How can you claim to support reproductive rights while being pro reproductive terrorism against women? How can you claim to be feminist if you believe women are fuckholes?
@Black Metal Valkyrie:
Pornography is a thorny issue that I don’t have the chops to delve into. However, I do have one question. How did you get this:
from this?
How do you get from “Women can consent to sex on camera” to “Women are only for sex and are simply fuckholes?” Draw me the connection here, I don’t see it.
Yay strawman arguments.
No, I do not consume porn… Well, except for the ocassional novel that goes into that black box of territory that makes me want to gouge out my eyes when I finally understand what the author’s going on about. Jean M. Auel, thanks a lot for ruining my innocence. I could have lived without that, thanks.
Sex trafficking is a huge problem. No one here denies that. However, when consent is obvious, women who do things in front of cameras do not need to be vilified, or treated as ‘only ****holes’ as you imply.
People who consent are people, and should be treated as people, and why you seem to assume otherwise and claim that their fault is consent is mind boggling.
I think the entire industry is problematic, but I don’t want to make life harder for the women who’ve been in it by demonizing them. The people who need to be demonized are the traffickers, not the performers, and definitely not the victims.
I stick with artistic representation personally (art, writing, and animation), since every person involved in the creation is a consenting adult, short of a Stephen King “Misery” situation.
Aside from that, I support policies of harm reduction for sex workers; reducing trafficking, transmission of STDs, violence, abuse, and economic coercion as much as possible. Legalization and prohibition give us different toolboxes to work with, and I think it’s become obvious that prohibition is not an effective means of harm reduction.
I think focussing on poverty reduction, labor rights and challenging sexist and sex-shaming attitudes are core issues in reducing the damage done by the sex industry, rather than strictly legalization/prohibition.
I never said that all porn is consensual; I simply noted that there is a lot of porn out there that is. And how you got “all women are good for is fucking in your eyes” from anything I wrote is a mystery.