I found this cartoon over at Comically Vintage. I’m pretty sure this is how MRAs view the world.
How MRAs view the world (in cartoon form).
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Weirdly, a bunch of them also seem to view the same scene with the genders flipped as how things should properly be. Look at that last line about “Learning to submit is the final test”. I could totally see that coming out of an MRA about women.
“Absurb-ridiculous”? “Fool”? This sounds awfully familiar!
That is profoundly disturbing. Not sure why but can’t help feeling the obvious overdone muscle power of the man in the image is as much relevant to MRA ideology as the ‘submission’. Ugh
I’m sure that that’s how owly views the world.
Completely OT, but it’s Maru: http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/maru-makes-his-first-commercial
Someone said the other day that it’s Maru’s world, and we just live in it.
I think that hypothesis has just been proven.
That comic is ingenious. I see it as satire and social commentary on the whole “women need to submit” mindset that some complementarians keep brandishing.
Men of the ruling class live in fear that if they lift the boot from the necks of the oppressed all that they have done will be done to them. They simply cannot let go of the dominance/submission paradigm.
I am about half-sure it’s from one of the early Wonder Woman comics, those tended to have a lot of bondage and fem-dom themes. The author was quite progressive for his time, but his preferences did tend to shine through in his work…
I usually have to pay for this sort of thing….
That is definitely early Wonder Woman, and yes, the author had a LOT of kinky stuff in the comic. And not by accident. More than almost anyone in the era, he knew exactly what he was putting in there, and why. Bless his perverted little heart, Marston was awesome.
So yes, I think that is how an awful lot of MRAs view the world. I’ve suspected for a long time that one would see a higher proportion of particularly esoteric femdom fantasies among MRAs; I know one individual for whom that’s definitely the case, and an awful lot more have what you might call “tells”.
Yeah, I figured that out, too. All you have to do is count the number of times the words “slave” and “chains” and “cage” and “whipped” come up in a typical MRA conversation.
I figured early Wonder Woman as well, because, well, the bondage and also because back then they apparently couldn’t draw women’s feet – note that even in a fem-dominated quasi-biblical world of loincloths and chains, those silly girls still went and invented patent leather pumps. Can’t appear properly out of the house without them!
“Absurd-ridiculous” quite accurately describes itself.
Stating the obvious here, but I know quite a few men who are into this sort of thing and feel in no way deprived of their rights for it.
So this is from a superhero comic with slightly porny themes… like every other superhero comic, then. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not too intimate with the subject. No pun intended.
“Stating the obvious here, but I know quite a few men who are into this sort of thing and feel in no way deprived of their rights for it.”
Thank you. In fact, it’s dominant men who seem to be scared as hell of us.
Or perhaps wannabe-dominant, or just domineering men.
Every time this subject comes up I have to point this out – there’s a difference between being a dom and just being a pushy, inconsiderate asshole. MRAs who fancy themselves as dominant are in the latter category.
So these guys see themselves as living in some kind of, “Lady Land?”
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadyLand
I think it’s a touch more than “slightly” in this case. I’ve read some of those early Wonder Woman comics, and subtle they ain’t.
That is definitely early Wonder Woman, and yes, the author had a LOT of kinky stuff in the comic. And not by accident. More than almost anyone in the era, he knew exactly what he was putting in there, and why. Bless his perverted little heart, Marston was awesome.
So yes, I think that is how an awful lot of MRAs view the world. I’ve suspected for a long time that one would see a higher proportion of particularly esoteric femdom fantasies among MRAs; I know one individual for whom that’s definitely the case, and an awful lot more have what you might call “tells”.
Regarding this comment i would say the numbers of people in both mra and feminist camps with control issues would be much higher than in general society, I would think a lot more feminist women would be likely to be either sexually submissive and a small number sexually dominant, so its possible mras could be the same. The anger ghastly to come from somewhere in both camps.
Would you say that, Liam? And what exactly are you basing this assdata on?
and, i’m fascinated – what exactly is “anger ghastly”? I thought it might be a typo for “anger has” but there’s that whole extra letter at the beginning and the extra three at the end…
not to mention, where’s the anger, ghastly or beautifully, coming in from the dom/sub thing?
plus, I’m just all around confused as to how you’re linking all this together – feminists are supposed to be sexually submissive? If so, what’s the problem the MRAs have? Isn’t that one of the things they want?
Wait, is this Meller/Nolan part 3, where Liam thinks that feminists are “provoking” men into spanking them because that’s what all girls want, tee hee? Eeeewww…
C’mon, Liam, if you’re serious and not just another return troll, where do you get this notion that being a feminist is any sort of indicator about one’s sexual preferences? Since when does the basic idea that women are human beings predict anything about what one likes to do in bed, or levels of ‘anger ghastly’ (is that related to sentence structure ghastly)?
I suspect “anger ghastly” is just autocorrect being silly (it’d be easy to write “has” as “ghas” on a qwerty keyboard), but I am fascinated by the notion that people are sexually submissive because we’re just so angry. (Or are we angry because we’re submissive? It’s not clear, but that may make even less sense!) Please, Liam, come enlighten me as to my own sexual tastes. I can’t wait.
If you were going to invent a stereotype about feminists and kink wouldn’t it make more sense to assume we’re all into super-cruel and very heavily gendered fem-dom? I guess that stereotype does come with very sexy outfits, though, and the idea of sexy feminists breaks the brains of misogynists.
@Polliwog – Oh, I suspect you’re right. Which is actually a bit disappointing, as I had my hopes up for a whole Addams Family slant to his argument about feminists and MRAs.
Dear Liam,
Wot?
Sincerely, everyone ever
@Polliwog – true about the autocorrect. At least it’s good for a laugh. My favourite ever was the name of a Spanish workmate of mine being turned into “Dingo Payola.” Needless to say he got stuck with that nickname for a while … 🙂
The MRAs would not think Tarzan worthy of being called a man, funnily enough. notwithstanding the total dominance over all wildlife he had achieved within his territory.
He was the sub in his relationship with Jane after all.
Longtime lurker, first time commenter.
I’m a pro-domme with a lot of humiliation clients, and I often play a “bratty princess”-type character who is eerily similar to what MRAs think women are like. Many men fantasize about entitled, bitchy, gold-digging wallet-draining alpha-fucking cuckoldresses. The more I read about the MRM the more similarities I see.
I can’t help but wonder if some of that’s because their entire exposure to women is watching Humiliation POV clips and talking to financial dommes on Niteflirt.
(Fairly obvious, but: if you’re going to google any of that, be aware the results will be NSFW.)
I did sometimes wonder if that was what was going on with a former troll who was prone to outbursts about how entitled princesses would spit on him if he dared to touch their robes.
Well, the autocorrect could have been worse…
Bwahahahah katz, that’s perfect!
Speaking of Tarzan, this is totally my favourite cartoon about him (prays for Ceiling Cat of html’s intercession):
Worst autocorrect ever (NSFW):
Katz, I am remind of one of my favorite portmanteaus of all time: procrasturbating.
Every time I read these things, I wonder why people actually still use autocorrect. It’s obviously evil. 😛
Procrasturbating! ROFL!
Hmmm, why am I now thinking of our general manager’s approach to work …
This reminds me of a book I’m reading, actually. It’s called “The Battle of the Sexes in Science Fiction” by Justine Larbalestier. It goes back pretty far, like to when the 19th amendment was a new thing. There’s a lot of discussion about stories that reflect the angst that accompanied the rise of feminism, as well as those that were pro-feminism (at least for their time). Matriarchal societies (portrayed both negatively and positively) were a popular subject.
If you’re into sci-fi and/or how literature reflects society, it’s worth a look. You could also google “James Triptree, Jr.” who was a very interesting author.