No one will ever love her.
Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
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Pecunium: And in that regard, I suppose that he is correct, that feminism has increased the bitterness and violence in men who are like him. Better that we return to the “golden age”, where women and/or POC needed to keep their bitterness and resentment under wraps in order to merely survive; then we can pretend that it doesn’t exist and that all is well with the world.
“And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.”
Exceptions are not the rule. Most women want children. Most women will have children.
They might become spinsters if they have unrealistic standards, such as expecting to marry a college educated male. Hypergamy cannot coexist with feminism. A quick search on the web will reveal many educated, gainfully employed women who are upset that they cannot find a man with equal or greater finances.
Hypergamy can’t exist without feminism?
This social pattern that has been known to exist as long as there have been ways to record it. It exists in places where marriage is the only road for women to improve their place in society. It’s most common where women are chattel to their male relatives.
But, if you have evidence to support your claim that “most women want children by the age of 25”, feel free to provide it.
Mark, hypergamy (I hate that word) has existed long before feminism, you dolt.
What about men, do they want kids? These kids dont’ happen by themselves.
Mark is a dolt, but in the spirit of fair play I want to point out that he said “Hypergamy cannot coexist with feminism” not “Hypergamy cannot exist without feminism.”
But yeah, you know, citation needed.
Oh, shit, I read that completely wrong. Sorry Mark.
You’re still rather doltish for your insistence that all women want children.
My mistake. I don’t understand what he means about hypergamy and feminism.
I think it’s that feminism improves the lot of women, which then prevents them from marrying up (from their newly improved status). In other words, it’s easier to marry up if your status is really low. But who knows, maybe he’ll come back and explain himself.
@Mark: When I was a kid, I loved the animal toys I was given (I still have my big tiger sitting on my bookcase in my office–I am a professor of English). The “baby dolls” mostly sat around in chairs or in a crib–boring!
When I was in high school, I saw the “live birth” film and went oh holy fuck NO.
I’m currently 56, living with a woman, and the first thing we promised each other before we moved in together was NO babies!
So fuck your “most women want babbies.”
A lot of women do. A lot of men do. Blessings on them–I have never tried to lecture people on NOT having children, but it’s amazing how many married w/children people feel they can lecture me on my choices!
But not all–the more more women are given the choice regarding children, the better.
Thinking of my closest women friends–most did not want and did not have children–more of the men did.
“None of my closest friends voted for Nixon. So fuck your ‘most of the popular vote went to Nixon.'”
Oh Scrape: Can’t you do better than that? The person she is refuting did just that, with his claim that the lettercols and op-ed pieces and the like of women bemoaning their childless state proved him right.
I know you want to start a fight, but really, you are going to have to be more subtle than this; esp. because you have no real credibility here.
That is similar to my experience, as well, and some of my close women friends who DO have children (children who are adults now) did so because of societal/parental pressure, not because of an innate burning desire to have children.
That was my “unrealistic expectation” back when I was younger (am 57 now) and actively dating, to partner with a male who was of like mind as me when it came to not desiring to have children. That greatly narrowed the field for me.
Sure. Ditto for most men. That still doesn’t mean that there isn’t a sizable minority of people of all genders who don’t want children, and a huge majority of people who, at some point in their life, did not want children right now. I’m over 25. I do not have any children. I like children very much and intend to raise some at some point. I am very definitely not “involuntarily childless,” and the idea that a woman’s options are “marry some dude,” “have children out of wedlock,” or “be involuntarily childless” is profoundly stupid. “Be childless and perfectly happy about it, either as a temporary or permanent state of being” is very much an option, and an option that the overwhelming majority of people take for at least some period of time.
ScrapeTroll: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Rhetorical analysis, ur doing it rong.
So now equal finances is hypergamy? Or is he trying to say that as women come up in the word men must necessarily regress? Success isn’t a zero sum game you know. I’m college educated. Most of my friends are college educated. My married friends have all married college educated men and women. None of my friends are lacking for dates/partners that are their equals financially (from a straightforward education/employment standpoint).
@ Hellkell
“You’re still rather doltish for your insistence that all women want children.”
Most women DO want children. You have said nothing to prove me wrong.
@ Ithiliana
You are an exception to the rule.
Shadow said, ‘So now equal finances is hypergamy? Or is he trying to say that as women come up in the word men must necessarily regress? Success isn’t a zero sum game you know. I’m college educated. Most of my friends are college educated. My married friends have all married college educated men and women. None of my friends are lacking for dates/partners that are their equals financially (from a straightforward education/employment standpoint).”
By definition, YES! Women are statistically (Census data) are less willing to marry down. Most women will not consider a man with smaller finances. Do you deny Census data?
Pam said, “That is similar to my experience, as well, and some of my close women friends who DO have children (children who are adults now) did so because of societal/parental pressure, not because of an innate burning desire to have children.”
I felt pressure to provide for women, yet I haven’t done so. You have poor self-control, Pam. Stop blaming society for your choices.